What will the world look like 10,000 days from now?
In this episode, we sit down with Kevin Kelly (K.K.), a Silicon Valley visionary and the founding executive editor of WIRED. Drawing on the ideas in his book 2049: Possibilities of Next 10000 Days, we explore his vision of the world ahead.
By 2049, humans may fall in love with AI. A new generation may find themselves working in jobs that do not yet exist. AI could become embedded in nearly every aspect of daily life, while humanity enters a “mirrorworld” that digitally maps the physical world. And despite our ambitions in space, Kelly believes there may never be cities on Mars.
We also discuss questions that matter to all of us: How should we educate the next generation? If AGI becomes a reality, what uniquely human qualities will remain scarce and valuable? And what opportunities could China have in the emerging market for AI glasses?
Join us for a deep conversation with K.K.— a picture what our lives and our world might look like by 2049.

Timeline:
00:00 Technology’s Double-Edged Sword: Inversion and Optimism About the Future
04:19 AI and Education: Learning How to Learn
09:37 AI and Media: Content Will Explode, but Human Journalists Must Remain Accountable
16:31 AI and Emotions: The New Impact of the Mirrorworld
21:26 The AI Glasses Race: Could a Chinese Company Come Out on Top?
26:16 Robotics: Humanoid Robots Will Get Cheaper—but Not More Useful
29:21 Self-Driving Cars: Getting a Driver’s License May Become Harder for Humans
31:19 Space Technology: There Will Never Be Cities on Mars
34:34 Life Sciences and Longevity: Extending Health Matters More Than Extending Lifespan
39:04 Brain-Computer Interfaces: Non-Invasive Connections Within 25 Years
41:05 Silicon Valley in 2049: How the Path to Innovation May Change

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